Sage 21

A hypothetical boat design that Jerry is 'playing with'.
Les
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Sage 21

Postby Les » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:48 pm

Jerry is very familiar with Lyle Hess' big boats (BCC and Falmouth Cutter) and I would love to see a 21 foot SEABOAT
with a cockpit for two and lots of cabin depth for storage. Sloop plan with a separate stay closer to the mast for a storm rig. Almost full keel with a fixed draft of about 30" plus a weighted c/b to extend draft to about 48". LWL about 20 ft with a small bowsprit to make her look salty. Skinny beam of less than 8 ft. Displacement of less than 4,000 pounds.

Sure sounds like a scaled down Falmouth Cutter! Probably would not be a commercial success since it is a small, ocean
greyhound. A man can dream.

On a different subject, the Sage 15 cat rig, go to catboats.org and dig up their catboat manual - lots of good advice
for heaving to, handling etc.

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Postby sal » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:35 pm

Hi Les,

Welcome to our forum. Thanx for visiting.

Yes we do dream. Sounds like a nice boat. Probably nothing we'd tackle in the near future......but never say never. The current project is the S15. Jerry is finishing up the hull plug. He said today that we was getting close. Then the hull mold.

Thanx for the input on the Catboat link. We'll check it out.

sal

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Postby BillW » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:27 am

Hi Les,

Does not sound that much different from the existing Montgomery 23. Yes a couple of feet shorter.

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Postby sal » Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:44 am

Hi Bill,

A couple of feet make a big difference in the overall size of a boat. Especially in Ocean going boats.

Jerry has some Hess plans for a smaller seagoing boat of 18' of 19', but there has been little thought of building her. Jerry says the M23 isn't really designed for ocean. More costal cruising. To build a seagoing boat in that smaller size range (somewhere between 18' and 21'), would no doubt be a fine yacht, but Jerry feels that it would be very expensive and would not be effective for the kind of sailing that "Pocket Cruisers" generally do. He said it would take a lot of wind to move her. We keep the dream alive as we have always been enamored with the BBC and Falmouth cutter. At this time still a dream.

sal

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Postby Jerry » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:09 am

sal wrote:Hi Bill,

A couple of feet make a big difference in the overall size of a boat. Especially in Ocean going boats.

Jerry has some Hess plans for a smaller seagoing boat of 18' of 19', but there has been little thought of building her. Jerry says the M23 isn't really designed for ocean. More costal cruising. To build a seagoing boat in that smaller size range (somewhere between 18' and 21'), would no doubt be a fine yacht, but Jerry feels that it would be very expensive and would not be effective for the kind of sailing that "Pocket Cruisers" generally do. He said it would take a lot of wind to move her. We keep the dream alive as we have always been enamored with the BBC and Falmouth cutter. At this time still a dream.

sal


I wrote a column for SCA less than a year ago about just this thing, and it covered the differences, in my opinion, between a true blue water boat and one meant for overnite or week-long coastal cruising. Sal is right; the M-23 was not designed for blue water cruising.
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Jerry Montgomery - Designer of the Sage 17
Founder - Montgomery Marine Products (M-dinks, M15, M17 and M23)
Montgomery Rigging - http://jerrymontgomery.org/


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